Baha’i Justice

doris wrote:

Now you’re just being silly. Victor, like most cultists before him, and I dare say many after him, mis-interprets religious scripture in ways that, well-wouldn’t-you-cotton-picki ng-know-it, hold gloomy portents of violent divine retribution against the very people he is in disagreement with.
Well, who’d have guessed, huh?

Still wrong you are Doris.

There is no interpretation involved in direct verbatim quotes. It is you who has misconstrued the quotes from the Baha’i Writings which were posted by Victor. He never gave any interpretations, what you are reading is directly from the writings.

What part of this are you unwilling or unable to grasp?

The statements you are responding to are not Victor’s, they are direct quotes from the writings of Baha’u’llah, Abdu’l-Baha’ and Shoghi Effendi given without interpretation as none is needed for they are crystal clear.
KPS59

KPS59 wrote:

Here you’ve missed the fact that the words you’ve grasped onto to make your point are not the words of Mr. Woods, they are as noted at the bottom of his post, the very words of Shoghi Effendi.

Here, your persecution complex and unwavering conviction that the truth is your own personal plaything have led you to miss the point. That point being that Victor mis-interprets selective passages to fit in with his wn prejudices. Well, wouldn’t you know it – God hates the same people Victor does! It’s what cultists always believe.Doris

KPS59 wrote:

How very wrong you are dear Doris.
You’ve once again failed to comprehend what you read, thereby proving my point. In no instance did anyone wish any other one’s “a fiery, violent death on those he disagrees with” as you erroneously put it.
Rather, you have failed to see what is directly before your eyes which was Baha’ullah Himself stating the coming demise of those who violate His Covenant in His Tablet of The Holy Mariner which is not as you put it earlier “a bomb” but in reality a “burning meteor”. How could you possibly so grossly misconstrue those words? How could you not know the contents of that Tablet well enough to know that those are the words of Baha’u’llah and then vainly attribute them to another in an attempt to muddy the waters?
Once again, none of the passages you’ve taken issue with are anything at all but excerpts of the writings of three of the central figures of the Baha’i Faith, Baha’u’llah, Abdu’l-Baha’ and Shoghi Effendi, all quoted in context to illustrate the straight path to God’s Kingdom, the World Order of Baha’u’llah.

Now you’re just being silly. Victor, like most cultists before him, and I dare say many after him, mis-interprets religious scripture in ways that, well-wouldn’t-you-cotton-picki ng-know-it, hold gloomy portents of violent divine retribution against the very people he is in disagreement with.

Well, who’d have guessed, huh?Doris

doris wrote:

You were NOT talking about an ordeal for the whole of humanity (which I would suggest is a spiritual ordeal and has already arrived in spiritual form as much of humanity has forgotten God. It’s usually cults who believe in literal firey death, hell and brimstone etc..etc..and you are no exception.)
No, you were NOT talking about a fiery test for humanity, Victor. You were trying to come across as loving and tolerant to all, as Janice seems to be, while at the same time wishing for a literal fiery death upon a VERY SPECIFIC GROUP OF PEOPLE YOU DISAGREE WITH.
And that is stunning.

Here you’ve missed the fact that the words you’ve grasped onto to make your point are not the words of Mr. Woods, they are as noted at the bottom of his post, the very words of Shoghi Effendi.
KPS59

doris wrote:

This “one voice among them” who “comes forth with love…” would be the same one who also came forth wishing a fiery, violent death on those he disagrees with.
How very loving.

How very wrong you are dear Doris.

You’ve once again failed to comprehend what you read, thereby proving my point. In no instance did anyone wish any other one’s “a fiery, violent death on those he disagrees with” as you erroneously put it.

Rather, you have failed to see what is directly before your eyes which was Baha’ullah Himself stating the coming demise of those who violate His Covenant in His Tablet of The Holy Mariner which is not as you put it earlier “a bomb” but in reality a “burning meteor”. How could you possibly so grossly misconstrue those words? How could you not know the contents of that Tablet well enough to know that those are the words of Baha’u’llah and then vainly attribute them to another in an attempt to muddy the waters?

Once again, none of the passages you’ve taken issue with are anything at all but excerpts of the writings of three of the central figures of the Baha’i Faith, Baha’u’llah, Abdu’l-Baha’ and Shoghi Effendi, all quoted in context to illustrate the straight path to God’s Kingdom, the World Order of Baha’u’llah.
KPS59

KPS59 wrote:
How very odd.
Here we witness the bizarre spectacle of a variety of souls claiming fealty to Baha’u’llah and His Revelation clamoring and vilifying one another. Then, when one voice among them comes forth with love…

This “one voice among them” who “comes forth with love…” would be the same one who also came forth wishing a fiery, violent death on those he disagrees with.

How very loving.Doris

In case these ones should seize upon my abbreviation of the above quote as a pretext for opposition to it, I will here provide it in it’s entirety. The application of it is still appropriate and in direct fulfillment of it nonetheless.

“How great, how very great is the Cause; how very fierce the onslaught of all the peoples and kindred of the earth! Ere long shall the clamor of the multitude throughout Africa, throughout America,the cry of the European and of the Turk, the groaning of India and China, be heard from afar and near. One and all they shall arise with all their power to resist His Cause. Then shall the Knights of the Lord, assisted by grace from on high, strengthened by faith, aided by the power of understanding and reinforced by the legions of the Covenant, arise and make manifest the truth of the verse:`Behold the confusion that hath befallen the tribes of the defeated!’ “

`Abdu’l-Baha, son of and immediate successor to Baha’u’llah, founder of the Baha’i Faith quoted by Shoghi Effendi in “The World Order of Baha’u’llah” pg. 17.
KPS59

How very odd.

Here we witness the bizarre spectacle of a variety of souls claiming fealty to Baha’u’llah and His Revelation clamoring and vilifying one another. Then, when one voice among them comes forth with love and gives proofs by quoting from the storehouse of the writings of the Central Figures of the Baha’i Faith they align with each other to attack that individual by denouncing the very writings which he quotes.

Their attacks are couched in the form of personal attacks aimed at the one quoting from the writings but the reality is that they are one and all united in opposing the words of Baha’u’llah, Abdu’l-Baha’ and Shoghi Effendi, to say nothing of their attacks upon the living Gaurdian, Head, Executive Branch Neal Chase Ben Joseph Aghsan. This is indeed a mysterious, grievous affliction.

“How great, how very great is the Cause; how very fierce the onslaught of all the peoples and kindreds of the earth!…One and all they shall arise with all their power to resist His Cause. Then shall the Knights of the Lord, assisted by grace from on high, strengthened by faith, aided by the power of understanding and reinforced by the legions of the Covenant, arise and make manifest the truth of the verse:`Behold the confusion that hath befallen the tribes of the defeated!’ “
Quoted from `Abdu’l-Baha, son of and immediate successor to Baha’u’llah, founder of the Baha’i Faith.
KPS59

All of the many points of view here dramatically demonstrate for the people of Chicago that, despite the shameless lie of the Wilmette Baha’is before Judge Amy St. Eve in its nsa-memo.pdf on 2006, claiming, while distorting the earlier court’s decision, that “No question of religious liberty is involved.” In fact, the lawsuit is ESSENTIALLY about religious liberty.

Judge Amy St. Eve wisely perceived it as such, despite all the obfuscation. God willing, the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals will do so likewise, and thereby set aright for American citizens what a forged will and testament has created.Frederick

Janice wrote:
Doris,
It takes great courage to go on to that Talk.Religion.Bahai site. I have only visited on two ocassions and it is amazing the hateful things that are said there. It almost seems like the people want attention and aren’t really, truly seeking. I don’t know how you know who is and who is not an Orthodox Baha’i.

I might suggest that the Orthodox Bahai`s are easy to spot on what I agree is an abomination of a talk group that seems to exist for hateful rather than spiritual purposes, because they identify themselves as such quite readily. From the top of my head I know some of them are called Ross, David, and Jeffrey.Quinn